Saturday, 16 February 2008

  • Way Too Close to home

    If you have already read this entry please see my Edit below. 


    NIU is a hop, skip, and a jump from where I live.  So many kids go there to have the college experience of living away from home, but still have the option to come home often.. Many of my friends and the teachers I work with are alumni of the college, as is my brother in law.

    But we also know kids who are going there now.  Quite a few in fact.  They are all safe, but they are not all fine. They have been traumatized. Messages have been frantically left on face book pages "  please let me know your safe".  Text messages are being sent, E mails, etc...



    We are all hearing stories now.  A friend of a friend, of a friend, supposedly knew the shooter and actually saw him in the building.  He went to the bathroom and when he came out he heard shots.  Of course you take everything with a grain of salt and even with the news, pick and choose facts vs. speculation.

    One indisputable fact is that this happens way too much.  I try and live my life with the assumption that my children are safely tucked away at their schools, enjoying all college has to offer, and now this happens again.

    I'm worried, kids are worried.  Will there be a copy cat?  Can you ever really know someone?  Apparently this guy ( the shooter) was a great guy, a guy on medication, he went off.  What can one do when your child's an adult.  An adult, but still your baby.  In the in between stage, between teen and real adult.  Do you let them go to college and grad school if they have a mental illness that is controlled by meds?   Do you drive to the school and force pills down his throat?

    Look at Britney, running around like a chicken with her head cut off.  No one seems to be able to force her to get long term help.

    How do campuses and high schools keep the kids safe?  Is there no more wandering around outside and hanging out in quads?  Will guns be offered in the book store or at Linens and Things?  "Buy dorm sheets here and get a free semi automatic, to protect yourself?"  Will classes be locked with bullet proof windows and guards out side?

    I don't have the answers, I really don't.  I wish I did.  But smarter people than me, need to figure it out and figure it out fast. 

    NIU officials have confirmed the names of the following students killed in the shooting:

    Daniel Parmenter, age 20, last of Westchester, Ill.

    Catalina Garcia, age 20, last of Cicero, Ill.

    Ryanne Mace, age 19, last of Carpentersville, Ill.

    Julianna Gehant (pronounced Ghee-hant), age 32, last of Mendota, Ill.

    Gayle Dubowski, age 20, last of Carol Stream, Ill.

    These are real people and they were someones babies.  And now they're dead.  They were doing the right thing, sitting in class, learning, bettering themselves for their future, and now they have no future.

    It makes me sick.  And it makes me scared.

    I'm praying for these families, because I cannot imagine anything worse.





     


    Edit:  I found this on Facebook.  Fred Phelps and his sickos are at it again.
    The Westboro Baptist church is planning to protest the funerals of the students who loss their lives in the NIU shootings on 2/14/08, there is no reason to protest the funerals of students. These people are crazy and should no be allowed to do this to the grieving families.

    Taken from godhatesfags.com

    "Thank God for the shooter at Northern Illinois Univ.
    God sent the shooter.
    In his wrath and vengeance against an ungrateful nation that has forsaken him and embraced filthy fags.
    WBC will picket their hypocritical funerals & memorials & "vigils""

    Any student at NIU should not let them do this to your fellow classmates that have passed away, and I encourage everyone in the area and everyone at NIU to do everything they can to not let these people continue to do these horrible protests. This is to keep the memory of the students who tragically lost their lives on Valentines day 2008

    But keep in mind you can not change their minds about this, try your best to respond to them positively so the cameras and media will cover you rather than them.
    You will not be forgotten

    RIP


    The Westboro Baptist Church (“Reverend” Fred Phelps and family) have announced plans to protest the funerals of NIU victims. They believe that God makes terrible things happen in this country because we tolerate homosexuality.

    I happen to know alot about the "christians" of WBC, and this is my advice to all of you, as an outsider, unable to do anything for geographical reasons.

    Go to the funeral. Go to the protest, and stand in front of them with banners that say "GOD IS LOVE." Cover them completely. Tarps, Bedsheets, blankets, signs, posters. Pictures of those who lost their lives, anything that covers the WBC.

    Go and block them, go and cover them. Don't fight them, but provide a message of love and support for the families who are mourning. Don't let them use misery as an opportunity. Don't call and yell, don't read their website and get angry. Get out there and show people there is a better message to be had, that you aren't fazed by their hatred. Don't let them have any power. Don't let them have any power over you. Go out there and block them from being heard.

    If you are planning on going to services, please do something about this. Go and cover them, go and block them.

    One of my friends from high school was shot and is still in critical condition. Her boyfriend was not so lucky. If I could be there I would, I ask all of you to go to the service, to remember those who died. And to go to these protests, to promote a message of love and understanding. To not allow these people to advance their agenda or to publicize themselves on the backs of corpses. Please stop them. Please.

    You are stronger than them because they are so deeply, deeply wrong. Do not let them argue with you. If you are attending the services, go to the protest and cover them, block them, do not let them be heard or seen. Show instead a message of love, and that will be powerful. That is the way to honor those who have lost their lives.

    The rev. Fred Phelps and his family of WBC protested the funeral of Matthew Shepard once upon a time, and a counter protest group arrived in angel costumes and surrounded Phelp's protest, blocking him from cameras. I'll say it again.

    Do not let their message be heard. Have the photo opportunity for journalists not a bunch of crazies, but a bunch of students with a better message, a more effective message, a true message. Do not allow their propaganda of hate a single headline, a single cover story. There are many embarrassments to humanity, the WBC included. But there is always hope so long as we can do something beautiful, something worthwhile. IF we can heal, and spread a message that heals. They are powerless if they are not heard, make it so and you have the power.

    -Carl Newman
     
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Comments (254)

  • brandi_shawn

    i know.  i live not far from va tech.  too close to home too.  i almost want to get a degree in education so i can keep my kids home and not have to worry about it all.  and its a shame i have to worry. i was never ever scared to go to school.  

  • hopejoy

    Shooting incidents in the US terrifies me although I'm thousands of miles away. How did these young people become killers?! I guess there're things in every society that have gone terribly wrong!

  • mom_da_bomb_14

    It makes me want to run away and start a commune.  But I know that is the wrong answer.

  • musicmom60

    It's too close to home for me too....the shooter currently attended U of I, near where I live, and bought his guns in Champaign.  Does he go to the same psychiatrist as my son, who is now also "off his meds" so he can get into the Navy?   I, too, have a son like that, and I would get seriously hurt if I tried to force pills down his throat.  You can't force a mentally ill adult to go to the doctor, take their meds, get therapy, get into the hospital or anything..  It's scary as hell, as a parent.  It stresses you out; it makes you sick, literally.  Physically ill.   I have tried to have him hospitalized several times earlier last year - it only worked once, then they allowed him to "sign himself in" and then he promptly "signed himself out" three days later.  What's a parent to do?  Legally and medically, our hands are tied, once they turn 18.  Something needs to change about that.  These kids do have a right to a life, an education, and everything else - believe me, I was a special ed advocate for him for years - but everyone else on campus certainly has a right to pursue their own life and education and happiness without fear of being gunned down. 

    My other son will be attending college next year, either at NIU, WIU or ISU, and I fear for him.  No, they should not have to carry guns...they are already carrying books, backpacks, musical instruments, cell phones, lap tops, they don't need to worry about another piece of equipment that will only hurt somebody.  It's ridiculous, isn't it?

    I, too, am praying for the families of the victims and Northern, and for all the families and students.

  • momofjenmatt

    @musicmom60 - 

    Thanks for your input.  I'm sorry about your son, I could see how that would make you physically sick.  I don't know what the shooter was on.  Maybe it was just anti depresants, I know if you stop those abruptly, you can go a little nuts. 

    It's all sad and scary.  And it can happen at any school anywhere.  But yeah it really gets you when it's right in the backyard.

  • notforprophet

    Did ill-advised prescription drugs (and perhaps a desperation to be free of them) drive him to this?  If so, the psychiatrists must share some of the blame. 

  • momofjenmatt

    @brandi_shawn - 

    I hear you, but eventually we have to let them go, we need to change this scary world.

    @hopejoy - 

    I wish I knew how that became killers, it's very scary and sad

    @mom_da_bomb_14 - 

    No, that's a natural answer.

  • LucyWrites

    I'm sorry this hit so close to home for you. I too do not know what the answer is. It seems insane to be thinking of arming students. Students! Whose only concern should be exams, sports, club activities. There are so many issues raised by this... and this seems to be happening more and more often. It seems as though school is not so safe as place as if used to be and should be. I'm thinking this weekend of those kids at NIU. I'm glad everyone close to you is safe.

  • momofjenmatt

    @notforprophet - 

    I'm not sure, I'm not even sure what he was on.  You know it takes the news a few days to get the right facts.  I just heard he went off his meds and he was a nice, normal guy.

  • momofjenmatt

    @squeakysoul - 

    Thanks, me too.  Those poor families. Thanks for your input I really appreciate the comment.

  • musicalsoulmel

    Every time I hear about an incident like this, it makes me wonder, why do these things keep happening, for one, and why, secondly, is nobody doing anything about them? We hear about them all over the news for as long as the media chooses to cover them, and what tragedies they are, (as of course, they truly are,) and then they speculate on the gunmen. But, there's no real step toward any kind of change, or move to try and make things safer for the students. On an individual basis maybe, and only retroactively. I think that there should be more proactive moves, across the board, rather than just waiting to respond to a situation after it happens.

  • momofjenmatt

    @musicalsoulmel - 

    I agree, but I wonder what they can do?  High schools are a little easier, since they are more contained.  Colleges are big, with many buildings and dorms and all kinds of people going in and out.  I don't know the answers.

  • MandMsMom

    I don't know what the answer is.. I wish I did. How do we know when a relatively normal kid is just going to snap? I understand that there are privacy laws that protect students' medical records, but I'm thinking that maybe that needs to be changed at the college level. People need to know if someone could do a 360 at a moment's notice. I am sorry for this tragedy and I am keeping all of the families and the traumatized students and staff in my prayers. Love the layout.. a nice memorial.

  • edlives

    My co-workers and I will keep the community in prayer.  The Virginia Tech shooting was 3 hours from where I live/work...and many people I work with had friends/relatives/sons/daughters that worked and attended there. 

    Now is the time where we fear the unknown.  The unknown amount of safety...the unknown amount of security available to our loved ones.

    All we can do is pray...and prepare as best we can...

    The best thing that could provide protection will eventually come out of these atrocities, so we hope.

    Be blessed, and know that our thoughts and prayers are with the friends and families of those hurt.

    Blessings.

  • priorities
    Hang in there!

    Hugs* Laura** I am so sorry it hit so close to home* it is just awful* and seems to keep happening...it is almost becoming 'common'...how sad is that...* the answer..thousands of students in a college...some with 'issues' of all kinds...some illnesses or issues never addressed when they were younger..* so many things...I don't see the anwer to it..and that is sad and scary at the same time...my heart  goes out to those poor parents..families...and you too** big hugs to you Laura..I hope you are ok** * lots of love, Lee

  • queenoscots

    Just terrifying.  You've managed to say just what I've been thinking.

  • soul_survivor

    Guns are way too available in the US.

  • WakeUpLaughing

    It makes me scared as hell too with two kids in college. I'm like you...I prefer to live under the assumption that they are safe there, but with incidents like this happening more and more, it terrifies me. I have a mentally ill nephew, and like the one commenter said, once they turn 18, it's out of the parent's hands. If as a society, we said they couldn't attend college for the protection of the other students, would they just take out their frustration in the workplace? I don't know.

    What I do know is that I am sick to death of the media doing big stories on school shooters. I wish they would focus only on the innocent victims and only mention the shooter in general terms without identifying him. To me it seems like that in recent years it happens more, because it becomes a media circus and the shooter becomes a sick sort of celebrity. If an ill person who feels isolated and worthless didn't think he would at least go down in history with his 15 minutes of fame, maybe it wouldn't happen as much.  

  • forwhomthebelsentolls

    My brother teaches at Northwestern, at the medical school, he's the head of a lab.  He is a very busy guy, he also gives lectures for drug companies, he shares custody of 3 kids with his ex, they live in Winnetka.  I've been to Chicago a few times after he got involved with this woman and had children with her.  None of us ever lived in Illinois until then but I've been around Chicago on a boat tour, and a bus tour, seen a Frank Lloyd Wright house and I've been to Lincoln Park, they lived there before they moved to Winnetka.  And before they had a meltdown and divorced.  Actually their divorce was very toxic.  I think his ex dated the court appointed mediator.  She has stolen things from him.

    A college campus seems like a very unlikely place for some of the things that are happening there nowadays.  It is also ironic that the students are in the same age bracket as the young people who are serving our country in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other dangerous places.

    There was something on my RoadRunner browswer about how the procurement bureaucracy held up Marine Corps' commanders' requests for heavier armored vehicles to protect the troops from roadside charges and as a result they didn't get the vehicles until 2007, they needed them as early as 2005 or earlier.  Humvees were inadequate.  This meant more dead and more seriously wounded.  I wonder how many boys have artificial arms and white canes because of some asshole flying a desk.

  • baldmike2004

    Dear Laura,

    I actually would have been your first commenter but it was late, and I couldn't find the list I was looking for. NIU was the fourth shooting this week.

    1. Louisiana Technical College shooting Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States February 8, 2008
    2. Mitchell High School shooting Memphis, Tennessee, United States February 11, 2008
    3. E.O. Green Junior High School shooting Oxnard, California, United States February 12, 2008
    4. Northern Illinois University shooting,  DeKalb, Illinois, United States February 14, 2008

    One of the teachers at NIU, I believe, was quoted in the L.A. Times as saying "There's nothing but cornfields around here. This isn't a place where you'd immediately think of something like this happening."

    When I read about NIU I still hadn't gotten over the shooting that took place in Oxnard, not "a skip and a jump" but up the Cali coast, and a place I was just in five weeks ago.

    I wrote a poem last year at about this time, after Virginia Tech. I'll post it below this comment.

    I also posted a question about school shootings for Featured Question, but don't know if it will be picked.

    Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool

    "Constant Carnage"
    Poetry by Michael F. Nyiri
    4/17/07 6:15 a.m. pdt

    Columbine still fresh in memory
    Weekly accountings of killings
    listed in Monday's "local" section of the newspaper
    Horrendous reportage doesn't cover the scars
    and last week's headlines pale in comparison

    Then another young disillusioned iconoclast
    with a gun
    goes hunting

    A first barrage isn't enough
    Where are the authorities
    when the second barrage
    eradicates the lives of over 30 souls?

    Is anyone safe anymore
    Even in America?
    No, we knew that in 1999
    and we certainly knew that in 2001
    and we know that even better today
    Are we living on borrowed time
    while the misbegotten
    are allowed to lock the doors
    of our innocence
    and barricade themselves
    inside our psyches?

    Are we moments from our final exit
    as police and government seem to
    ignore the realities of constant carnage
    in the workplace and at school
    even as the unsanctimonious shards of insanity
    sever our serenity with sudden reports
    from hidden guns

    All too
    easy access to weapons,
    All too easy access to
    support groups for homegrown
    terrorism
    Are there clues on
    thousands of MySpace pages
    portending the slide into
    anarchy?

    Another day passes from memory
    But the events prove
    that even the last shocking act
    of inopportune mayhem
    is not going to be as shocking as the next

    And the next
    And the next

    And will there
    ever
    be an end to the constant carnage
    ???
    Or will you and I be counted among the dead
    next time.....
    ????

  • seedsower

    I have been praying for everyone mourning the loss.
    I remember how devastated I was after the Amish schoolhouse shooting which happened close to here.I thought "If they aren't safe in an Amish schoolhouse they aren't safe anywhere". We are no longer safe and that is the way it is.Those carefree days are over.
     Thanks for the heartfelt post Laura.

  • my_final_username

    The world is a more dangerous and scary place to live in now.

    No one deserves to die in this way.

    Thoughts aree with everyone who is mourning whether their have lost someone in this tragedy or who have affect by a past shooting.

  • forwhomthebelsentolls

    We never, ever had anybody messing around with guns on campus when I went to Bard College, on and off, from 1976 through 1981.  We had some assholes who painted graffiti, and occasional fights. 

    There was a guy who fell off a cliff and died, they didn't discover his body for 2 weeks- he'd had a medical leave of absence in the past, bipolar disorder, a kid from a wealthy family.  Leon told everybody to observe a minute of silence for Esteban at graduation and there was a round of applause.  Parents were horrified.

    I got punched out in a fight outside a bar one time by some townies, and I had other 1970's adventures.  Gonococcus was one of them!  Ouch!

    Campus security was relatively low key.  There definately were people who had mental health issues...I should know, I had a fuck buddy who was like that and who got taken home one Sunday morning by mom and dad, after she stopped bathing and painted her cat's toes purple.  Not a steady girlfriend.  And I knew she had an IUD before I had sex with her.  She was not the one whom I caught clap from by the way.

    Simon's Rock, the junior college on a different campus affiliated with Bard, had a shooter a number of years ago, a disturbed student with a gun who killed several people, I'm not sure if he killed himself or not.  It was in the 1990's.  It was very bizarre.  A creepy dude with no friends who scared people in the library?

    I like to think of my undergraduate years as having been fun.  I mean, I was a nerd, I had long dry spells and didn't really act out all of my sexual fantasies and I had a shitty job getting paid minimum wage every summer, I had a car that broke down very often, I was still very much of a spazz, but I had some fun, I even got to play some rock n' roll.  People were there to learn, and have fun.  To prove how cool they were, image building as one of my faculty advisors called it, which is shallow, but they at least could get it out of their system.

    Mass murderer is a lousy image to have.  Nobody I knew in college had that kind of image.  Leon is bald now, he's still making the rounds, the fundraising, he's raised lots of money for Bard, from George Soros and other rich people.  He conducts the American Symphony Orchestra as well.  The campus has lots of new buildings and they didn't keep it as it was for us less generous alumni to reminisce about.  We all moved on.

    Esteban was a fuckup.  At least he didn't hurt anybody except himself.

  • apennieformythoughts

    The world is a scary place. My babies are still young, and I think about the world I will be sending them out to, and I really don't want to. I can't fathom losing myself to somebody else, due to violence. And people seem to forget that the shooters themselves have families, someone that loves them and didn't expect this. Doesn't make it easier, and I'm definitely not trying to mourn for the shooter... but the families are left to pick up the pieces of this needless violence... all of them. Those poor mothers. One can only hope it ends, but it's bound to happen again. But I'm happy to hear that no one you know was hurt. Doesn't change things... but you know what I mean.

  • Berlyblake67

    This IS so scary! You are so right about the points you made. I do believe that there will be a trend towards this kind of behavior. One of the side effects of the media's attention is that it plants a seed in a (mentally ill) person's brain. Then they start fantasies in their maind's about "what if?"  There is no real answer to figure out who is the next person to want to live out this kind of brutal sceene. How would anyone have known that he stopped taking his meds. The age that young adults are when they are in college is that weird sort of age where you can't make them DO anything. They are gonna do what they want. But they still depend on their parents for certain things.....a weird limbo phase.

    Although there may be a solution..........a different crime will take that one's place.

    I still think that these things should not be shown to the general public and focused on for SOOOOO long and in so much depth and detail. It may be what the public wants to hear about, but it carries severe consequences. There.......that is just my opinion.

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