August 16, 2009
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You're not that special
The topic is: Why does it seem we are we becoming a society of people with malignant self love?
http://featured-grownups.xanga.com/
After first seeing the topic on the Featured Grown ups page, I commented that, it would be a hard question to answer, and I would have to give it some thought. But as soon as I got off the computer I realized it was not hard at all, it was obvious, but I had no intention of going back and writing it then, so I'm here now.When I was a kid, not everyone got a trophy. In fact, I can't think of one trophy or ribbon I got. When my kids were little everyone got a trophy or a ribbon, just because.
When I was a kid we had consequences when we acted out, yes it is now unheard of, but I got spanked and yelled at. I knew I was in trouble and I knew why.
When my kids were little if you did anything even close to that you were a bad parent, uneducated, and a child abuser.
My art and homemade cards were saved and put on the fridge, but NOT EVERYTHING I made was framed and gushed over for an hour.
My parents would say " Oh, what a pretty picture, why don't you go put it on the refrigerator." NOT, " OMG , Honey did you see what Laura drew?" " THIS could be in an art gallery, or an illustration for a book!" They didn't frame it and display it in our living room for all their friends to see what was basically a scribble.
As a society we always seem to go to the extremes. A bunch of child experts must have decided that everyone of my generation has low self esteem. So to make sure the next generation felt good about themselves, we now tell all kids, how great, how wonderful, how important they are. Which is fine, to a degree.
But as I said, we always go to extremes.
When my babies were born, we were no longer allowed to let them cry. EVER, under any circumstances. Every need was to be met, immediately. The "experts" said you can't spoil a baby, and I agree, but I really don't think a baby is going to be damaged because they cried for two min. And I'm pretty sure their self esteem would be intact.
Kids are now allowed to have bottles until they are twenty, binkies until they're 25, and if they want to suck their thumb in 4th grade, they can.
If a kid, any kid, acts out, is bratty, is a bully, says no, swears, is rude to adults etc.. they have ADD, ADHD, oppositional defiance disorder, OCD, Bi Polar, and a number of other disorders.
Now I realize these disorders are legit. I think I have some ADD myself. However, NOT ALL kids have these things. In fact it's probably a lot more rare than everyone thinks. Oppositional Defiance Disorder? " Oh, he can't help it he was diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder !" OMG, the kid is rude, and spoiled. Lets call it what it is!!
Some of you know I work with court mandated youth. Which means they cut a break and are in our facility instead of jail. They are to receive " drug treatment", even though the strongest drug 90 % of them are on is marijuana. Really they are there for another crime, like robbery.
Those 90 % complain non stop. The snacks ( chips, cookies etc..) are "lame". The fact that they are getting one on one attention in school means nothing, we don't see enough movies, they should be allowed to sleep, they get too much work, ( maybe two hours tops, with no homework), we don't take them on enough field trips, the food sucks ( I eat it, and a lot of it is home made salads that you would find at a family picnic).
If I dare to ask them to do something or have a " tone" I am disrespecting them and they tell their counselor, who 9 out of ten times, asks me how I, not the kid, could have done things differently.
Kids, even " good" kids are openly rude to adults. Often when the parent is sitting right there. Kids are openly rude to their parents, in front of others no less. The parent just sits there, not even embarrassed they are so used to it. They say the kind of things that if I said them to my mother, I would be picking up my slapped face across the room.
I am continually shocked at how many times I am at a store and some young person slams a door in my face when entering or leaving a restaurant, or how no one bothers to ask if I need help when I am dropping all my stuff, or I can't open a door because my arms are full. Or how no one says thank you when I hold the door for them.
Young adults feel they are entitled to everything, because that's how they were raised. They are special, they are great, it's all about them. If they have a problem, everything must me dropped, it needs to be fixed, and fixed right now. They can do whatever they want, no one is as smart as them, no one is as talented, don't encourage others, it's all about them.
I tried to raise my kids to know that, yes, they were great, but they had to work for things. And no, you don't get every part you want in the play. And if you talk to my friends like you are talking to a peer, you may never talk again. And the same goes for how you talk to me. I am the mom, that's it.
And even though you do really suck at soccer, trophy or no trophy, you have a beautiful voice, and you are much nicer than that bratty goalie, which I promise will get you further in life.
I raised them to know that you don't have to like your teacher, but that's the teacher you have, so suck it up. Unless they are hitting you, or humiliating you, we are not getting your class changed.
I don't care if EVERYONE has the $1,000.00 gaming system, we can't afford it, so sorry you got stuck with " poor" parents.
And since you can now talk, go to the bathroom on a real toilet, and are a whiz at calculus, the bottle has to go. Cry all you want, you'll get over it.
Was I perfect? Not even close. But I feel like for the most part, my grown children ( 20 and 22) are nice, hard working, respectful, young people and both have a desire to give back to the world they live in.
Not perfect, but not spoiled, narcissistic, brats either.
We as a society created these narcissistic monsters and I don't see it getting any better.
So that's my answer and I'm sticking to it. Unless someone comes here and convinces me otherwise.
Comments (42)
Excellent!!!
I think that parents of this generation are the problem. Most of them were raised without boundaries and enough guidance and they're raising their kids that way. They were brought up anti-establishment and with the "everyone gets trophies" phenomenom and they think that is the only way to raise children. They're stupid. They bring their bratty kids everywhere and subject them to everyone without even thinking that they should bring a book for them to read or just something to do to keep them occuped if they have to wait around.
But what do you expect from a generation of Barney watchers who heard "oh, you are special, special, everyone is special..."
Yep. Couldn't have said this better myself.
My step-daughter, who I met when she was 12, was a spoiled brat until I laid the rules down and then, of course, she said she hated me! LOL Now she is a grownup of 24 and thanked me for never allowing her to get away with "stuff" because it has made her a stronger person!
@gottobereal64 - ha ha ha, I think this comment was oh so special.
@lacemagicke - And probably a better one.
This whole post is so true. My daughter and her cousin were one month apart in age and how we raised our kids was a bit the same yet different. My daughter was told how great she was but so were a lot of kids while the cousin was the greatest and was better than her cousin. She grew up talking about designer duds while my daughter didn't even question where I got most of her clothes (many were found at yard sales). I had no kid yelling at the checkout counter that they wanted THAT candy...mine knew if it wasn't on sale or I had a coupon for it....it wasn't going in the cart. She also was respectful of any child whether they spoke English or not...or they were larger for their age than the petite kids....while the cousin already had a snobby better than everyone attitude.
@PrincessFiveandDime - The problem is the cousin is more the norm now, and that's pathetic.
You raised your children, my "special" grandchildren, so much better than I raised you, and yet you turned out to be special too. Maybe the secret is letting your children know they are loved despite their imperfections rather than having them believe they have no imperfections. Whatever it is, I love all my children and grandchildren without reservation (and in my heart, you all are perfect in every way that matters)!
Your Mommy
@dianestickler - Now THAT was queer!!!!!!
I hope my 'Bravo' here will be seconded by tons of other readers who think, as I did, that your point is both accurate and well-expressed.
@jsolberg - why thank you!!!!
Amen! We have become a society of people with malignant self love because that's exactly how kids are raised to be. There's nothing wrong with letting kids know that life isn't fair, they're not going to be great at everything, and you have to work for what you want because it won't always be handed to you by your mommy on a silver platter.
@WakeUpLaughing - sounds like I was preaching to the choir sista!!!!!
great points!
@MooncatBlue - thanks : )
I think you are entirely right. My grandparents raised me. I think they tried to make up for their 'fail' with my Dad by doing this to me, believe it or not. I was always soooooo beautiful, so talented, so good at every endeavor.
Imagine my young adult reaction when I learned the rest of the world didn't agree with them. Not that I was cocky or hot headed about myself...I just remember feeling suddenly small one day. It affected me greatly, a large dose of reality, you might say.
I raise my kids realistically. I prepare them for the real world. That's what parents are supposed to do.
@LeMizzMizz - unfortunately grandparents tend to do that. But I guess it's hard if they are taking on the role of parents. My Grandparents thought I was the greatest too, but I only saw them a few times a year so I got it wasn't true ha ha.
You are linked.
@Featured_Grownups - thanks
Wow, get angry much? lol... I took a little offense to the fact that you seem to think all parents parent this way. Not all of us do. I know plenty of my peers or other parents who are teaching their young kids to do better and be better. And it isn't just the young kids who slam doors in faces or don't help, it is the 20's through 70's too... I see it from everyone, not just young kids. I see women who are mean and catty and they probably raise mean and catty kids. I see thoughtless men and I am sure if there isn't someone else to intervene those kids are the same.
yes, it does come down to parenting... but not ALL parents are spoiling their kids and treating them like royalty. I'm not sure the answer here, but I know I try to lead by example and be the bigger person. I run into plenty of rude, insensitive nasty people and they are all not kids or teens, but maybe they have kids and teens they are raising to be just like them. Who knows.
@white_tiger_68 - I don't think I'm angry at all.
The question on the FG page was why I personally thought we were becoming a society of malignant self love.
Obviously NOT ALL parents are like that!!!! I was speaking in generalizations because the topic kind of required that. I have many friends and relatives who parent well. Having said that I have worked as a substitute teacher, a pre-school teacher and now work with adolescents and from MY observations and from observations of my peers ( other teachers etc...) they see a trend in spoiled, selfish kids.
Of course you will find rude people in any group. Again, obviously, but I think it is more predominant in our young people into the late 20's
Like we tell the boys at work " if it don't apply, let it fly"
sorry you were offended, but very surprised that you would be as it wasn't a personal attack.
@white_tiger_68 - also, I believe I was pretty much talking about society as a whole. I mentioned sports and school too, not just parents. I was talking about a whole attitude of society from psychologists to parents. Parents many times take what the " experts" say and don't go with their own instincts.
@momofjenmatt - eh don't mind me, I don't have much tolerance for thoughtless or stupid parents anyway. So I do understand. I have also worked with kids for a long time. This is a complicated subject I think, and could be talked about forever.
@white_tiger_68 - true
whew...couldn't agree more
@thingsondemand - well thank you for that : )
Did you see the article about the woman (I use the term loosely) who is suing the university she attended because she can't find a job? Says they aren't helping enough. Goes right along with what you've said.
Great. I haven't even seen the prompt yet, and now I don't know what to write, because you already said what I would have.
Nice job
I think this sounds like something all people say once their kids have grown up..... I feel like those with a bit more time on this Earth will always have something to say regarding the generation that comes after them.... It's a cycle. I already find myself doing it, unfortunately.
I mean maybe I'm biased, because I'm a young adult, but I don't find myself acting the way you've described, though perhaps I may have a sibling that might act like that.... we're different people, though raised by the same two parents... I'm not a perfect angel, goodness I know that, but I'm not a fully composed brat either..... I don't think it's a generation thing is all I mean.....
I do agree with you on the ODD thing. When I first heard that this was a disorder, I was wondering when the line is crossed between a rude child and a child suffering from ODD. Strange though, isn't it? I believe I've got some psychology book lying around that might have the DSM IV-TR diagnostic material for the disorder, but even that seems vague.... interesting stuff.
Have a good day, take care =)
agree/amen
@nevragn - just saw it on xanga, wow!!!! Exactly my point!!!
@radicalramblings - well, that's sweet!!!!! I was actually on top of things for once with FG ha ha
@ultravioletskies08 - well that's true in a way, easy for me to say right? As I aid earlier to a commenter prior to this, I spoke in generalizations because the question sort of called for that. There are many wonderful " kids" in my kids generation, I am more talking a bout a societal mindset and why there would be more narcissism now than in prior generations.
@deeplyyinspired - Thanks
I totally hear you! I've seen my fair share of obnoxious children, young adults and even adults. Honestly, I don't think we should care what psychologists say about children having ADD and the like. I still believe in Russell Peters' idea of "Smacking your kid!" It worked for generations before so it sure is good enough for the NOW.
That's why I believe that we are the only way to turn the tide and start educating our kids or setting ourselves up as good examples.
Well, MY children ARE the best at everything and why should they be nice to all the inferior children all around them!?!!
Ha ha, I AM JOKING. We use the words "kind" and "loving" and "polite" to our children A LOT because they do have that selfish, Lord Of The Flies tendancy that all people do. The point of raising children is to squeeze as much of that out of them as possible, I say.
Well, check up on me in 15-20 years, okay?
Your words rang loud and clear for me! My children were raised much in the same manner as yours. It is what has made the difference in who they have become I am certain. It is never more important than now, that this reflects how they will be when raising their own children. Our daughter is pregnant for the first time and now we shall see if she follows suit in the raising of her child as she was...
@vexations - thanks
@sleazefest4eva - unfortunately the child abusers ruined it for the rest of us.
@miss_order - my instincts tell me you are a great mom
@Dreamere124 - Tell your daughter to listen to the real expert ( you) not the books.
You're right.
@soul_survivor - thanks nice to be agreed with
I would never dream of trying to convince you otherwise.
Theoretically, we should be getting better at raising our children, not worse.
But practically speaking, it's all downhill. So go figure.
Great blog.
@twoberry - Thanks, yes you would think we would learn from our " mistakes"
Nope; you are not wrong. Away from home, my two teens are perfect, or so I hear. At home, or just around their parents, it's a different story. Apparently my wife and I are stupid, embarrassing, blah blah blah, and that is without getting into the words that are said to or about us that would have gotten me smacked by either of my parents, neither of whom were violent or abusive.
You have hit the nail on its head!
@lonelywanderer2 -I think all parents are embarrassing, that's universal.
@onjerusalemhill - : ) thanks
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