August 21, 2011
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Xanga, homosexuality, and religion and obsession
Edit: anyone coming here on @Seedsower shout out, I am usually not this "controversial". I don't want people thinking she has lost her touch.
Since I have been sort of back I have noticed a trend in front page entries, and a general trend on xanga. Now, today isn't so bad, it's Sunday and I think people must be exhausted with the amount of arguing and " discussion" of religion or belief in God and the lack thereof. And whether or not Gay people are pushing their disgusting agenda down others throats or not. I do remember some political debates back in the day, but the gay thing and religion, not so much on here. And even the politics were tame.
The lack of mutual respect is pretty shocking to me. And the waste of time. Can I just tell all of you people ( who probably aren't even reading this) it is a WASTE of your valuable time. NO ONE is going to change someones mind. In fact, if you actually change someones mind I want to know about it, because I will be shocked.
Having said that, I am going to give my lame views on one. Or at least what I have observed. I don't even care if I get rude comments, bring it on. I won't argue back though, I am just stating what I think and see. And arguing back has already proven to be futile and annoying.
The subject I feel most strongly about is the homosexual one. I am not gay, I am not Bi. In fact right now I am anti romance, sex and coupling. But that's just an odd quirk that could pass, and if it does, I like men. Romantically. Not really in a lot of other ways because men really are from Venus and I don't always understand them.
Just because I know a few gay people does NOT make me an expert in homosexuality. Not even close. I can only say what I have observed and what I have seen and it's going to shock many of you.
Eating dinner in a gay community, in this case boys town in Chicago - disappointingly normal, it was the same as eating dinner in a straight community. No sex on the tables, no converting an obviously straight man with his wife or girlfriend at the next table. No lesbians coming on to me. Which is not really a surprise , since lesbians have never been attracted to me, where as other friends have had lots of lesbians find them attractive. Which sort of hurts my feelings, but I'm fine I guess.
Gay bar vs. straight bar- Both too loud to have a conversation. Both too crowded to find a place to sit. Both serve alcohol. Gay bars have more men than women. Straight bars have about an equal amount. Both bars I am short and get lost in the crowd. Both bars no one makes a move on me, again hurt, but then again who can see me? No line at the women's rest room at the gay bar, a plus. Again, no sex at the gay bar, not even that much PDA, and I would say the straight bars had more. Not that many great looking model types at either bar. Huge disappointment at the gay bars. You know everyone says the good looking ones are gay? My friends or friend when I went alone with only one of them, were by far the best looking men in every bar we went to. I thought even if I couldn't have them, I could look, but nope. Regular guys, some ok, some down right ugly. Another plus in the gay bars, one gay bar had, instead of sports, Golden girls on TV. I love that show, couldn't hear it though, too loud in the bar.
Breakfast at Gay restaurant- see dinner above.
Gay relationships I have observed.
They tend to like musicals more than men in straight relationships, although expunged enjoyed musicals, I had to buy the tickets and tell him we were going, it wasn't something he would have perused on his own. Also clothes shopping, although again, expunged liked shopping for himself and me when I was thin, but you wouldn't know it by looking at him now. But I think that is sort of rare in hetero guys. The shopping thing. But maybe not. Expunged always decorated our house too and has great taste, so much for stereotypes.
Other than that in both Gay and Lesbian relationships I have seen and heard the following:
They need to do laundry
they are going grocery shopping
One of them is annoying for leaving a towel on the floor
They are going to a movie ( not porn)
They are watching TV.
One is watching TV. the other one is sleeping
Dishes are piling up, they need to be done.
If they have kids, the kids are driving them nuts
Or they are bragging about kids
They or one of them is going to work out
They have a headache.
They hate their job
work is going well.
sound familiar- Yawn
I have talked to my straight, women, girlfriends, 100 x's more than I have ever discussed sex with a gay friend. I know more about my married female friends sex lives then their husbands would probably be comfortable with. I know NOTHING about what my good, Gay friend does or does not do in the bedroom, except sleep or have a hard time sleeping.
Gay people get together as couples for the same reasons I married expunged.
I was attracted to him, yes, sexually, however there was so much more than that.
I thought he would make a good dad, and he was.
I thought he was a good match with me ( he wasn't).
We laughed a lot pre marriage - that ended quickly
We had basically the same values and spiritual beliefs, still do
I felt emotionally, physically, spiritually, sexually, romantically, connected to him, not just one, but all.
He was my best friend but I loved him more than a best friend. I wanted to be with him forever. I thought he " got" me and I " got" him. Again, WRONG.
With every gay adult who is in a relationship, it is the same thing, same feelings, it isn't ALL about sex, probably not even close. There have been gay relationships that have lasted longer than most marriages and trust me, if that is all about sex, well more power to them then, because lets be honest, you need a hell of a lot more than that to sustain a relationship.
Almost every blog I have read here on Xanga reduces the gay relationship down to sex, and sex only.
I would bet my life, (and this has probably been done) if a survey was done on long term gay relationships, starting from day one of living together, their sex lives correspond with heterosexual married couples on average. In other words, some couples are insane and do it non stop, some once or twice a week, some go months with nothing.
And sex, when PEOPLE have it, in a relationship, is an expression of love between the two people. An extension of their relationship, not THE RELATIONSHIP.
And YOU unless you are told, have ZERO idea what they are doing sexually. All you know is they are not having sexual intercourse the way a man and women do, since no vagina is there ( in the case of two men). And no real penis is involved with two women. You don't KNOW FOR A FACT anything else. Just like I don't know what your doing and really don't care. Why some people seem obsessed with the sex life of a gay or lesbian person is beyond me.
You can throw out your pick and choose biblical quotes all you want, but really, you are waisting your energy.
There have always been gay people. There always will be. Nothing you say, biblically or otherwise is changing this.
And although I really don't know Jack about politics, it seems to me, having an anti gay rights be a huge part of your political agenda only hurts.
But like I said, I won't change anyones mind with this blog. It just felt good to write it.
Because I know what I have SEEN, and witnessed, and been a part of, with my own human experience. Where as some of you wouldn't know how a gay person thinks and feels, since you never bothered to actually talk to a person who just happens to be gay.
We are all so much more alike than some of you realize. We share the human experience. We want love, acceptance, and respect. We want to live our lives in peace. We want to be able to get fulfillment out of our jobs, and or raising our kids, we want to enjoy a good meal, lose weight, be healthy, have nice things, have some sort of spiritual grounding, even if that isn't called God. Unless you are an evil sicko who is so messed up and far removed from life, we all want the same things.
And that's how I see it.
You Xangan's can continue to blog about whatever you want, and go around and around. I am going back to my " try ad be witty" blogs, and if you like those great, if not, you're not fun.
Comments (52)
This one makes so much sense that the people who are anti-gay won't be able to read the whole thing, it makes TOO much sense.
EXPUNGED LOL!
@Diva_Jyoti_3 - Yeah, I expect anti gay won't like this, and will freak out. Expunged used to be semi ex when we were divorced and lived together, long semi amusing story. Thanks for the rec. I actually hope this post does well, this is one I really want to be read, even partially. Anything that can be done to help that along would be great.
@momofjenmatt - as you pointed out, people can be pretty closed minded to logic. But it dosn't hurt to feel hopeful (I guess)
"Almost every blog I have read here on Xanga reduces the gay relationship down to sex, and sex only. I would bet my life, (and this has probably been done) if a survey was done on long term gay relationships, starting from day one of living together, their sex lives correspond with heterosexual married couples on average. "
This.
@PinkLeopards - I really would bet my life on that.
Personally I have had so much more fun at gay and lesbian bars (ones I have been too) because 1.) no fights or very minimal. 2.) the atmosphere was ABSOLUTELY ELECTRIFYING. But then again I go to drag shows-big difference.
Of course I will admit that I am an attention whore and I love it when everyone hit's on me and I am sure that has biased me big time. But I find the conversations and jokes many times to be absolutely hilarious.
@DominatingThinspo - I like the gay bars, because I can relax. Have not been to drag shows, but I want to , in Chicago, I heard they are wonderful and lots of fun. True, no fighting, although I have not seen a fight in a straight bar for a long time.
You've hit the nail on the head again.
I tried to let you know how much I loved the last post too, but I could never get my message through.This one is a true winner and I plan to suggest it to some of my gay friends.
@momofjenmatt - So would I.
@fratmom - thanks, I appreciate that A LOT
This is a relief.
All this time, I was thinking that I was just the most boring gay person ever.
I mean, I don't even have a girlfriend, let alone have wild sex with her all the time. I eat, I sleep, I write, I work, I work some more, I try to sleep...
I was wondering what I was doing that was so different from straight singles my age!
Also. That you can handle a touchy subject with enough grace, class, and humor that I'm cracking up the whole way down even as I nod my head in agreement earns you a rec.
You're correct again except gay people are just a little more fun than football loving straight people.
OH MY GOD. Gay people are just ...regular people?! And all this time I thought I was special.
@opticalnoise - Thank you 1,000 x's over. I'm sorry you're a drag, if it makes you feel better, pretty dull myself.
@Grtt - You are a speshul snoflayke!
@momofjenmatt - We can be dull together then. I'm okay with that.
@opticalnoise - YAY!
@Grtt - I'm sure you are special in your own special way.
You mean, gays and lesbians are... normal?!
That focus on sex over relationships is pretty frustrating. 'Cause, y'know... The heteros never have sex or anything, and when they do, it's in the standard missionary position for the purpose of procreation.
As someone who is gay and has been in a long-term relationship (9 years now), raising kids, I can only wish I had the time, energy and opportunity for the sex life that people seem to think I have.
I, unfortunately, don't have a fabulous fashion sense, and I dislike clothes shopping. I like musicals, and especially enjoyed participating in them when I was younger, but we know, as NPH proclaimed at the Tony's this year, "It's not just for gays any more!"
The only thing is... I love Harel Skaat a bit more than I'd love his music if he was straight.
@momofjenmatt - girlfriend you have GOT to go to a drag show they are AWESOME!
@Prolixity_Split - That's the only way expunged and I did it, twice.
@hevcoh - ha ha, he's hot, don't blame you
@momofjenmatt -
The less we judge people the better off we are,it is that simple.
Very well and completely stated. I agree with you 100%!! I think I even just commented on someone else's blog recently, you can't change anyone's mind, they are stuck in what they feel is right...
You really don't get curious and ask your gay friends questions? I do... a lot I think. LOL. Cause somethings I just wanna know... luckily, one my favoritest Xanga babies also happens to be gay and doesn't mind answering every silly question I have.
The few times i've been to a gay bar, it was totally great!! And I've only been come on to by lesbians maybe twice... so don't feel so bad (once I'm not even sure it was a come on or if she called everyone "baby"...). but they (the bars) seem more free and open, less violence. Great music. And drag shows!!! You have GOT to go to a good drag show, it's truly amazing. Men way prettier than most women I know...
@BubblysLife - I think I have a good idea about the bedroom activities, no need to ask. When it comes up with girl friends it usually goes like this
" Omg, Tom wanted to do it last night and it's been like three weeks so I had to"" wow, that sucks for you, how was it?" " pretty good once I relaxed and stopped thinking about Johnny's science project and work issues""Oh good, glad you didn't have to pull a fake"" No, Tom's caught on to the fake vs. real, I just say sorry hun, hurry up cause it ain't gonna happen tonight"
@seedsower - True that. Not to say I'm not guilty of judging, I do it all the time, I'm sure. But there are a lot of things Jesus said that I agree with, ( even being a sort of Jew) and that's one of them.
Thanks again for the nice words/post. It made me happy.
This was fun to read.
I'd say something either brilliant or funny but I don't want to risk being misunderstood.
@twoberry - I love that comment! <3
"Where as some of you wouldn't know how a gay person thinks and feels, since you never bothered to actually talk to a person who just happens to be gay." ... that you know of. If you found out your good friend was gay, you'd say "I never would have guessed, he/she seemed so normal."
Sorry, just editing this line how I would have written it. Yes, I'm quite presumptuous that way.
Just calling it like you see it, keeping it real. Nothing wrong with that.
@twoberry - I love that comment too, and I think it was funny so you blew it.
@girlForgetful - excellent edit. And you probably improved on my horrible punctuation too. Thanks
@seedsower - twoberry is great
Another good one! BTW, even I have been to drag shows! Makes me envious of how attractive they are.
The front page gets tedious but it's good for insomnia, I find.
@dianestickler - that's what I hear, gorgeous men in drag.
@ordinarybutloud - This is true, and I do go there during insomnia too.
Good post and I came over from Beth's blog to say hi.
@Grannys_Place - Hi nice to meet you, glad you weren't offended. I fi Knew she was doing this today, I would not have written this one until next week. But I appreciate the visit : )
RE: Edit
She once gave me a shout out. If that didn't call her judgment into question around here, this post sure won't.
IF YOU LIKE THIS POST PLEASE REC IT.
@Prolixity_Split - ha ha ha, thanks@SilverBird_Loves who are you addressing that comment too?
This is wonderful writing, someone must have really ticked you off. I have the same attitude about people in general, live and let live. Please dont waste my time with politics of any sort, esp religious ones, I have so little time left.
Yeah, totally agree. Good post.
Is sex overrated? I suppose I get more satisfaction when favors and small quirks comes my way like," I like the way you cut your hair," Thank you for being a great help, and how politely she asks for favors....
Pundits and arguers like to condense their topics, but when presented with the long and drawn out argument, they either try to change the subject or not even acknowlege that a lot of your arguments are tough to beat.
I suppose the word waisted was more important during the days of hour glass figures.....For sure it is a word but not used as much as the word wasted.
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Lately I have noticed a lot of holding of hands and other hand positions. One Lady turned out to be the mother with her hand around her daughter's waist. It is not uncommon for young girls to hold hands, somewhere along the way we humans have lost our touchy feely sort of innocence.
@momofjenmatt - i am addressing it to all who read what you wrote. it needs to be out there so many can read it.
@Fyresetter02169 - More like a bunch of people pissed me off, I was getting sick of it. Move on Xangans, much more important things in life.
@WaitingToShrug - thanks@ItalianGrotto - I agree one million % Love the quote
@SilverBird_Loves - Thank you
@PPhilip - interesting point of view
I bet you would have had a good time in Asheville, NC this weekend. A group of females bared their titties and their boyfriends wore bras to try to make a point about "gender equality." I didn't know about it until it was over..... hey, it was good for downtown business as nearly 2000 attended to watch the show. I agree with your post for the most part, like 99.4 percent of it. I'd like to sum up your post like this. "If you panties are in a wad it is self inducted because of your fantasies about gays, religion, politics and such."
I bet you would have had a good time in Asheville, NC this weekend. A
group of females bared their titties and their boyfriends wore bras to
try to make a point about "gender equality." I didn't know about it
until it was over..... hey, it was good for downtown business as nearly
2000 attended to watch the show. I agree with your post for the most
part, like 99.4 percent of it. I'd like to sum up your post like this.
"If you panties are in a wad it is self inducted because of your
fantasies about gays, religion, politics and such."
Once again, you hit the nail on the head! Love your writing style and your way to get your point across and make me laugh at the same time.
Brother-in-law recently had a legal commitment ceremony (unfortunately gay marriage isn't an option in our state) with his significant other, surrounded by family and friends. They wrote their own vows. He said that he had heard his straight friends saying the reason for getting married was when you couldn't imagine your life without the other person, so he knew it was the right time to take this step because he couldn't imagine his life without his partner. The words between them held such emotion--it was a beautiful expression of love between 2 people, which is the way it should be, regardless of gender. All that should matter is that you have found someone who makes you happy with whom you can share your life. Like you said, sex is such a small part of the entire relationship, it's bizarre that it seems to be the focus of the anti-gay contingent. What's also bizarre is that they think it's any of their business!
Sorry for the long comment. Great blog!
@vexations - I am very curious as to what smal percent you don't agree with. I have a feeling I'll never know though. Damn. Did you or someone else have photos of that Bobbie show? I swear I saw something on Xanga.
@Debbie - Emailing you
I will give you an answer. You said "They are going to a movie ( not porn)” 0.06 percent of the time they are going to see porn.....
You might wonder how I know this...... I’ve been doing on the street interviewing of gays in the movie line.... Oh, you are looking darn good for a 39 year old divorcee.
@vexations - Blushing now . Thank you. You're slightly off on the age, but whats a few 12 or so years.
Well ok, some gay people go to porn flicks,but they also go to lots of chick flicks and movies that have really hot guys. And sometimes, just a movie regular folks enjoy.
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