March 30, 2013
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I support traditional Marriage now! Thank you for changing my mind!
After much debate and thought, I have decided to join the ranks of the righteous! First I wanted to make sure I was supporting the correct traditional marriage. Being a newbie, I wasn't really sure what I was supporting so I went to the Bible.
I looked into supporting men and women being married. Must be same race, Wives are subordinate and the marriages are often arranged. Genesis 2:24
husband, wife, AND sonless widow, genesis 38:6-10
New husband a fat ass loser, sorry widow above, you must submit to him sexually. TRADITION, ( singing song from Fiddler on the roof)
Rapist and victim marriage as described in Deuteronomy 22-28-29 ( my dad will appreciate the 50 shekels he will get)
And of course the man + many wives and concubines ( throughout old testament.) THAT is as traditional as you get, yet...
Maybe they don't mean that maybe they mean TRADITIONAL U.S.A. marriage. Not sure what that is exactly either.
so I did some research and found this
For most of history, the subordination of wives to husbands was enforced by law and custom. As late as the 1960s, American legal codes assigned differing marital rights and obligations by gender. The husband was legally responsible for supporting the family financially, but he also got to decide what constituted an adequate level of support, how to dispose of family property, and where the family would live. The wife was legally responsible for providing services in and around the home, but she had no comparable rights to such services.
That is why a husband could sue for loss of consortium if his spouse was killed or incapacitated, but a wife in the same situation could not. And because sex was one of the services expected of a wife, she could not charge her husband with rape.
Well that sounds traditional but I'm sure they don't mean that. so looking further...
By the 1920s, 38 states prohibited whites from marrying blacks, “mulattos,” Japanese, Chinese, Indians, “Mongolians,” “Malays” or Filipinos. Twelve states would not issue a marriage license if one partner was a drunk, an addict or a “mental defect.” Eighteen states set barriers to remarriage after divorce.
Ok, THAT was a small unfortunate part of our history, that isn't what I am to support I'm sure.
I ask someone and they basically describe the marriages of Ward and June on Leave it to Beaver and that nice couple on Father Knows Best. I personally don't know ANY not one person who comes from families like that for real, but ok?
I sure as hell, I mean heck ( I'm being traditional) don't want to support the tradition where women had almost no rights once they became married and were considered property of their husbands.
ladies, truth be told there was no "headache" excuse back in the day, he wants it you better give it up! But Ward and June had separate beds which is really as it should be.
I am NOT supporting any families where there was ANY dysfunction although you GAY supporters may think THAT is traditional. No Alcoholism, no child abuse ( even the kind that wasn't considered abuse then, like pulling down the pants of kids and literally beating their ass.) No child sexual abuse.
No, cheating spouses, no depression, no working mom homes, no single mom homes unless husband died and they hurry and remarry, no divorced homes. No spousal abuse, no unemployed adults, no poor people, no verbal abuse, no drug abuse, no premarital pregnancies,
No black, or Jewish families.
No yelling. No name calling. No crying ( or very little and it must be over a small mistake like being caught in a white lie)
I will support only WASP families like in the sitcoms. If you had any problems other than having a friend who kisses up to your parents but then is kind of mean to your little brother after commercial, forget it! And your mom better have worn a dress and pearls daily! Dad better have a nice briefcase and come home after a hard day doing some white colar job of unknown origins and be served a hot dinner of fat and artery clogging sides.
In fact I say bring back the fat! I want traditional meals to come back as well. Red meat! Mashed potatoes and gravy! Peas that get put in napkins.
Change and growth are bad. I have seen the light. I have the right to tell people how to live and I will not allow the destruction of the US.
Letting blacks and whites marry was a huge mistake, but we won't compound that with the gays.
I need to wrap this up, off to stone my daughter for many,many, infractions.
later
Comments (57)
Good to know my marriage shouldn't be legal and/or that I shouldn't be married in the first place. I'll let my husband know and he can keep me on the side and I can go out and have fun...maybe get some more baby daddies like a good black woman. I mean my other choice is to be a church-lady/mammie. Who has time for that trifling stuff? I want to break the record on the Maury show for the most not baby daddies.Also it is great to know that technically and legally I couldn't have been forced to marry some of my rapists considering whites shouldn't marry blacks under the traditional definition of marriage. I probably would have been stoned instead. Hurray for tradition!
@Erika_Steele - Thank you for understanding. let the slut, welfare, black woman in her place begin.
Oh my dear God, how did we men let things change so much......I am with you..... tradition...sing it out...tradition.
heh. yay for fiction, i mean, tradition
Excellent post, perfectly on target. I just love it when you are on a roll.
Excellent post, perfectly on target. I just love it when you are on a roll.
well shit now you've convinced me to join your anti-gaytante crusade
@vexations - ha ha ha@Bels_Kaylar - right on!!!@jsolberg - thanks SO much!!!!@bonmots - great! You have seen the light!!!!
To be fair, Christians view traditional marriage as the example Christ gives us in the New Testament with him in the role of bridegroom and the Church as his bride.The problem is that I think some Christians confuse following God with needing to force others to follow him as well in a legal sense. That is my biggest issue with the GOP. Change comes to people only through a change of heart. Not through laws or legislation. Laws that attempt to control people when no infringement of rights is occurring are a problem. What consenting adults do is not the government's business.As an aside, I think it is disgusting that marriage licenses were used to keep blacks and whites from marrying. Which is part of the reason why I want to completely do away with them.
You gave me a hard on with the title and then made it pucker up real bad. Shame on you!
You nailed this one! I'm not sure my husband could have afforded my bride price if one had to of been paid. He isn't good with animals and I'm pretty sure he would have had to pony up some goats and a fair number of sheep and of course at least one cow....
so much wisdom here.
50 shekels, but now compounded with the annual cost of living wage adjustments, which after 3000-ish years means now you're worth a whole 50.25 shekels! You can buy half a goat! Well, your husband can buy half a goat. You will be allowed to look upon the half goat, however. Score!LMAO... you so cray cray. Loved the post!
LOL! Jolly good show!
@firetyger - to be fair, kidding! Not meant to be taken seriously. And Your Christians don't speak for mine, I was given a long lecture on husband, wife, 2.5 kids fabric of society etc...@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - Oh my. Sorry tee hee@murisopsis - poor hubby!!!!!!@amateurprose - thanks@Midnight_Masochist - No, the Shekels go to my dad because hubby raped me and therefore took my dad's property and now hubs has to pay. No goat for me
@secretbeerreporter - Thanks!!!!!
As I look at your list of reasons marriages should not be allowed (and I know you're being sarcastic) I don't know anyone who's marriage should be allowed. We don't even use shekels as currency anymore. Maybe our dollar currency should be banned and replaced with shekels. Of all the old sitcom marriages at least Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore were funny. Damn I had a crush on Mary Tyler Moore in that show when I was a little kid.
@momofjenmatt - D'oh! I stand corrected. Perhaps your dad may invite your rapist and his possessions to dinner some fine evening, and you may gaze upon the partial goat at that time...
@firetyger - its dem DEMS that are forcing others with their laws who are forcing Christians to not only follow the immoral laws (well, regulations) but to deny their conscience while doing so! you got it wrong sista!
marriage is the basis of the family. the family is the basic unit of society. unless you want to hand over the creation of children over to the Government, then Ma + Pa = marriage. The whole confusion exists because of a sexual disorientation caused by separating the horse from the cart, i.e. the pleasure of sex from the procreative responsibility of sex. (horse, cart). Birth control achieved this confusion on a mass scale. Notice that the whole issue of "gay marriage" (a REAL oxymoron that is!- sure is going to put a crimp in the "gay" lifestyle, they should oppose it!), the whole issue surfaced as a result of the Sexual Revolution of the 1960's, aided and abetted by abortion and The Pill. The new term is "federally accredited family unit." Mom and Pop are still carrying the whole world on their backs.
@TheSutraDude - My point exactly, no marriage can live up to the "traditional marriage" it does not exist there is no such thing. It's a myth. Dick Van Dyke and Laura were a very hot couple, and funny. Loved Lucy and Ricki too.
@mortimerZilch - So true. That pesky birth control pill. The person who invented that should be shot.
@Midnight_Masochist - Oh I hope so!
@momofjenmatt - You're right. And Lucy and Ricki were very funny. They might have been the first TV mixed couple marriage. I never thought about it until this moment.
Conservatives always have this misguided idea of some mythical time in the past where America was perfect. That time never existed, and if it did, it was only for wealthy White Christian straight males.
You might enjoy this (link).
i have to say... i often feel sad for women who think that traditional marriages are the best they can do. i mean, it makes sense for a man. who wouldn't love to have a live-in sex slave, cook, and maid?
Oh Holy Moly!!
@mortimerZilch - Take your bullshit conspiracy theories elsewhere.
@coolmonkey - So so true
@coolmonkey - true that
@agnophilo - I'll check it out thanks@flapper_femme_fatale - Lol, I would want that for myself, I need a traditional wife@Grannys_Place - yeah
@agnophilo - ha ha LOVED it
Well done!
@EmilyandAtticus - THANKS!
@firetyger - I also think that "marriage" is a word to describe the relationship that God has ordained as the base for a family...which two men or two women cannot have children on their own. They can adopt, but I really think it should be out of love for the child, not a political statement (because there WILL be a plethora doing this to make a point...and I do wish there was a way to distinguish between them in the system). For this reason, I believe that "marriage" should only be used for the sacrament in the church. The legal "marriages" of both gay couples and straight couples should be called something different because it is where we are getting confused. Perhaps "unions". There are many straight couples who choose to have unions instead of marriages too, and there are some churches that will actually marry gay people. One should not necessarily be regarded as higher than the other, just they are two separate things. One is in the church, and one is a legal contract between two people. I am happy that gay couples can now have that legal contract and the benefits that go with it. Sorry if this had nothing to do with anything....I think I meant to say something useful......but I'm not sure I did.
@secretbeerreporter - closed group here, eh? insult when all else fails, eh?and a very obtuse statement at that...just doesn't make sense...which is probably going to be the tip of the iceberg when dealing with you. Can't reason with the unreasonable, can one? We all know that the arguments put forth don't have to make sense, it's that now you CAN. that's the entire extent of it. whoopie, I'm glad you can. Now try to make sense. Cut the satire, as satire depends on something well known...in this case the argument FOR heterosexual marriage. After all if the Supreme Court can discuss it, it should be able to be discussed down on this level too.
@mortimerZilch - Your "God" doesn't exist for one (you say he does? then prove it with HARDCORE, SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE; once you appeal to the Bible or to faith you LOSE). For two, there's nothing sinister about birth control. Children are expensive and suck the life right out of you. They become your life. There are much better things to spend money on. I had my vasectomy and I don't regret it. There are many childfree straight marriages. Are they invalid too? No? Then gay marriages aren't either. Third, it's better never to have been brought into existence (as David Benatar, Peter Singer, Thomas Ligotti, et. al. have demonstrated), so your procreation argument is BS. The best possible thing would be to cease reproduction entirely and allow the human race to go completely extinct. For this reason perhaps same sex and childfree opposite sex couples should be regarded higher than breeding straight couples. Just saying.
Ignore everything but the submit to him sexually.He can thank me later.
Oh yeah don't forget the evils of birth control. Every woman must be popping out 8 kids. MINIMUM.
Brilliant!
@TheTheologiansCafe - I'll let him know
Oh no! I'm living in sin! AAAAAAHHHHHHH! *Dies for the good of righteous sanitized tradition*
While we're upholding tradition, let's not forget good old 'droit de seigneur." This gives me the right to have first go with any of my employees' wives, so that they have the lucky chance to be impregnated with my superior DNA. These wretched liberals want to forego that luxury?
@Semper_medusa - "I also think that "marriage" is a word to describe the relationship that God has ordained as the base for a family..."It is good that you think that, but it is not the role of the US Government to enforce your religious belief.Every culture's idea of marriage is differ, and as a diverse, heterogeneous nation, we should adopt a "marriage" that is inclusive of all.
@angelwingfive - REPENT!@somewittyhandle - Wonderful point! That needs to return!@Celestial_Teapot - YOU are treading on dangerous grounds! we must bring Christianity into the forefront of our government. I am starting a movement of removing separation of church and state and we will have a Christian USA Government.
@secretbeerreporter - you are seriously demented. actually insane. what happened to you to cause such dementia? were you sexually abused as a child? did the doctor drop you on the floor when you were born, then kick you around like a soccer ball? did your mother feed you psyllisibin in your baby milk? what was it? tell us.
@mortimerZilch - You are so full of shit. I had, for all practical purposes, a good childhood. None of those things you listed happened to me. I'm not even gay by the way. I am not impressed by your conspiracy theory bullshit in the least and neither is anyone else.
o well, the institution of absolute life-long monogamy is a sinking ship anyways
I'm SO proud...this is my first born, Xanga readers. Ain't she smart?!!!
@momofjenmatt - The last "survey says" part was my favorite.
@aclvsh - true
@agnophilo - hysterical
@Celestial_Teapot - Marriage is a sacrament, not a contract. I fully support them being together, and them having the legal rights. Perhaps if we had a word to differentiate between the two there would be a lot less confusion and everyone would be happy.
I think you gravely misunderstand the bible. You clearly do not know the context of these verses or what they actually mean, and one of them....I'm not even sure you actually read the verse. So, let's begin shall we?Genesis 2:24 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." Now let me ask you this, do you want to live in your in-law's basement forever? I'm thinking probably not, so most likely the problem is not the leaving his father and mother. OK, what's next? Cleaving to his wife. OK, I'm assuming in a marriage it is preferable that a man love his wife and be faithful to her, and vice versa, right? If that's the case, there is not a problem with the second part of this verse. Next comes becoming one flesh. There are two ways to interpret this one. One is speaking about having sex and procreation in marriage. I don't want to do this, so I am solving the problem by not getting married. The other is that the man and his wife ought to be a team. They will work together and will be seen as one united front, and they ought to act like it too. You know what this doesn't say? It doesn't say anything about interracial marriage (nor does anywhere else in the bible. It condemns inter-faith marriage, not interracial), arranged marriages (in face, the marriage of Abraham and Sarah and Jacob and Rebecca, and Moses and his wife, and Ruth and Boaz.....and several other very big name couples were NOT arranged) and female subordination. Like interracial marriage, the bible actually NEVER says that women are subordinate. In Genesis 3 God acknowledges that woman's "desire will be for [her] husband and he will rule over [her]", but what does this mean? Well the Hebrew word for desire actually means to desire to dominate. So essentially, husbands and wives will seek to dominate each other and men are physically stronger and will win. It is an acknowledgement, not a commandment. Likewise, in 1 Timothy where it commands women to learn in "quietness and full submission" is commanding women to learn in the same way that men do, and likewise "I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man" is referring to a few select women in the Church of Ephesus who were incredibly domineering and believed that they should be able to teach despite not understanding the apostle's teachings....and they were causing a lot of trouble. Continuing on Ephesus "What about Ephesians 5? It tells wives to submit to their husbands." Indeed it does, however, the word "submit" is actually better translated as "respect" and right after it goes on to give a lengthy explanation to husbands about how they ought to submit to their wives by giving up their life for her. Now, this can be literally DYING to save her, but it can also be giving up his wants and desires for her, and her likewise for him. It's telling them to care more about each other than themselves. You KNOW that the woman is expected to be a docile housewife because we have the description of the ideal wife in proverbs 31. This woman is an internationally known successful business woman, who kind of does her own thing. She is kind to her servants, and her kids grow up to be respectable individuals, and people actually stop her husband on the street to tell him how great his wife is. It also tells us that she just goes out and buys a field without consulting anyone. This is the equivalent of just kind of going out and buying a business.Genesis 38:6-10. First of all, we are never told that Judah has a wife other than Tamar, his brother's widow. At this time, a childless widow would have been unable to take care of herself, because despite all the ideals I have mentioned above, women were not well respected in ancient times, and it is still that way today in this middle east.this was a family's way of providing for the widows of their sons. I don't necessarily get it, but I will just leave it at that it was the best possible option at that time. As for Dueteronomy 22, that also draws on what I just mentioned. A non-virgin woman would not have been able to find a husband, and would not have been able to provide for herself. Keep in mind with this, that the victim would have had the right to refuse, and she would not have been married to him. Also, this was a collectivist society, so he would have been watched VERY closely. The modern day equivalent would be requiring a rapist to pay a large fine, all of the victim's therapy, for the victim's future wedding, all of her education, and generally fully financially support her until the day he dies. He would also have to fully financially support any child that came from it regardless of where that child lived. I want this law in America.
@Semper_medusa - I have long maintained there should be a differentiation between the two. For everyone.
@Semper_medusa -Have you ever belonged to a book club? I have. We all read the same book, and based on our own experiences and personalities, and looking into the context of when it was written and who wrote it, we all interpret it in different ways and we all bring interesting or not so interesting thoughts to the table. No one is right or wrong, we discuss. The books we discussed usually were written in english, and usually were written in modern times, the last 10 years or so. Now, we have the bible, a book, a holy book to many, a fictional book to many. Written in many languages, interpreted from a language that is hard to interpret, written a VERY long time ago. This book also has various versions, unlike a lot of books. So excuse me if I don't embrace your thoughtful yet misguided biblical study guide. We could go round and round, and so many people do and arrive at the same conclusions as when we started. I have zero desire to do this, and so I won't. Thank you for taking the time though.